He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. Andy: They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. Jane: Were obviously talking about a whole series crises in a way with you, its like crisis Whac-A-Mole. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? And so invariably youre stood behind another prisoner as he makes his call and the amount of times that that prisoner would then turn away from the phone with tears streaming down his face was frequent. Learn How rich is He in this year and how He spends money? [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. Long before, in truth. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. I would say I felt anxious right at the start, because its the unknown. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. That was very clear, I think. Heres the full transcript: Jane: Im Jane Moore, a friend of Andys and for a number of years his colleague at The Sun. So, I was a very willing crisis volunteer long before I became a conscript. Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. Andy: Yeah, definitely. Jane: Did you worry that it would come across as self-serving? And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. So I changed my mind. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. So I did. I just wanted to see them. I know Harvey was, what, 14? Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. Early life. The Guardian said that the disclosure "is understood to have 'absolutely shocked' some Whitehall information staff. Andy: Better than the alternative. And that was corrosive. Andy: I dont know about that, but when I went to work for David, funnily enough the whole friendship thing came up quite quickly because not long after Id started to work for him there was a moment when I picked up the newspaper on a Saturday morning and I was learning things that I didnt know about what David was going to do with regards to a trip, I think it was. Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. All the old clichs are clichs for a reason and that kind of what doesnt kill you makes you stronger I think is true from the individual point of view, but I think it is also true from a family point of view. And its like eating rotten fruit. Now, I dont recall seeing one of you. He hired Dominic Mohan, who was later promoted to editor. Jane: You were acquitted. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. "[29][30], In July 2011 questions were raised about Coulson's security vetting at Number Ten. And the Old Bailey is a court that is straight out of central casting. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. Colton came . I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. You take some advice. I remember reading, after I came out, that I had been released after just five months on good behaviour. Andy: Well I will always argue that the mistakes were not criminal, because thats what I spent a lot of time standing in a witness box arguing and because its what I believe. And before I knew it, much sooner than I thought, there was sun coming through the windows and then, again, it sounds strange, I suspect, to some people, but I just found the whole thing so utterly absurd. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. Revelation: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (left, in September 2004) were having a secret affair for at least six years, the Old Bailey heard. BirthName, Nickname, and Profession So first, let's take a look at some personal details of Andy, like name, nickname, and profession. Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? I left and David didnt want me to go. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. And why? [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. Its appalling. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. And that is not a good moment. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. Andy: Well I just think for anyone, him or anyone, me included, trying to live life through the rear-view mirror is an utterly pointless exercise, so I dont know. So, although they were still pretty young, theyd had a crash course in the law and in the legal process, if you like, already. Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. I wanted to hear what they were up to and they got on with it, theyve been incredible throughout. Hacked Celebrity VoicmailsWhose voicemails has Jorg Coulson been hacking into this week? Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. The CPS said that witnesses interviewed by Metropolitan Police including those who had previously made allegations through media outlets had not been willing to provide admissible evidence. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. But we had a two-week crisis in our life, after Monty was born, in terms of the emotional impact of it, it was far greater because we felt we were going to lose him not long after he was born. However, the acquittal was suspended while the Crown considered whether to appeal the decision and was therefore not announced until 3 June. Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' Coulson Partners offer strategic advice that moves the dial. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . You can be walking along the landing and someone walking the other way, for whatever reason, decides that the answer to their problem that day is to attack you. Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. Then before you know it, because my sentencing was first in the order of the day, if you like, in the Old Bailey, I was then sat in that cell and was there for quite a while because they keep you there until the end of play and then everyone gets put on the bus and ferried off. No one wants to spend two months of their life in a high-security prison, certainly, but I was mainly concerned about my boys because I wanted to see them and I didnt want them to visit me in a high-security prison. Series 2. That was a good moment for us because we were then very clear that this was not about me becoming chums, this was about me being a professional advisor to him and him taking that advice seriously and the relationship on that basis went forward. [18] On 3 June 2015, he was cleared of those perjury charges, since, if he had lied, it would not have been relevant to the outcome. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. Six former members of staff from the now defunct. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Thats why I love podcasting, actually, its that its not a formal interview process, its a conversation. What conversations did you have with your older boys? Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. [37], In January 2016 Coulson launched a new corporate PR agency offering communications strategy services in partnership with Henry Chappell, Coulson Chappell. As every step forward you take, again without trying to get too poetic about it, that rucksack, which is how I see it, its a rucksack with a bunch of rocks in it and every six months or so it gets significantly lighter. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. Andy: Well Belmarsh was going through a pretty dysfunctional phase at that stage. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. [14] You benefit from undiluted, unambiguous one-to-one advice, game changing campaigns and crisis guidance from p Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Age, Birthdate, Religion, and BirthPlace Read Also: Who is Ali Choupani Wiki, Biography, Age, Spouse, Net Worth What was the apex of your crisis, do you think? But Ive got some good techniques now. Entirely self-inflicted, entirely my fault. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. Youve got to be either kind of 200% enthusiastic about something or youve got to be outraged. Certainly not for me. Andy: Oh, quite a lot. Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. [4][5] The overall impact from his tenure came to be known as the "Coulson effect". Now, she already knew about it, but having it made public was not easy, of course, and then you went to prison. In 1994, he briefly moved to the Daily Mail, but after nine weeks moved back to The Sun to edit Bizarre. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. I think actually, given that I was a tabloid newspaper editor and a political communications director, I dont really think theres much of a moral high-horse for me to climb on if people want to form a view of me. I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. He commented about the News of the World allegations "I stand by what I've said about those events but when the spokesman needs a spokesman it's time to move on. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. It is an audit on your life and your relationships and there were some people, I think, I expected more of them, if I can put it that way. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. When were your darkest days? And even more delighted that there was a whole shelf of Dickens because I love a bit of Dickens. Andy Coulson. It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. Jane: Are you still friends? Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. Throughout his career Andy has been, as he puts it, poacher, gamekeeper and game - experiencing crisis from every angle. And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. Which it was. [18], On 1 June 2015, the judge, Lord Burns, acquitted Coulson. Its a prison and a system thats designed to get prisoners re-engaging with society again and to prepare for release. Your job is to be judgemental. The Pickwick Papers, I think, I would probably choose as the favourite. And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. So part of the evidence presented at the trial revealed that you had had an affair. I had no complaint about it. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. Dont try and solve it all. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. No one knows in advance. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. Certainly, my upbringing. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. Because Id worked very hard at the News of the World, working weekends and god knows what else. [64] In October 2013, it was revealed that Coulson had had an affair with Rebekah Brooks that lasted from 1998 to 2007. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson's 'mobile phone was hacked by his own newspaper's private detective' Coulson, 45, 'fully in the know' about illegal practice, prosecution has said. Again, that is what this podcast is mainly about. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. 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